CSULB Design – Imagineer & Disney Legend

CSULB Design – Imagineer & Disney Legend


[SILENCE] [SILENCE] [SILENCE] Anyway, I think it
was word Wesley goal.>>Always stand right here.>>Okay?>>Alright, we have a
camera men on the back. I already warned him. He’s Kip. They’ve always she’s
a camel lady now. Oh, okay.>>Yeah.>>I asked you gotta fluid
add there cuz you’re gonna
have to keep doing that.>>All the tough sounds so good.>>She, she put this
thing on everything. The wire still in my pocket. We gotta get all this technical
stuff out of the way.>>So anyway,
Greetings everybody.>>Thank you, Wesley. They send me this.>>Okay. Why are you doing this? Have you read any this pink? Cause you’re a cool
creative professional and
we can’t wait to meet you. All. Flattery. They got me down here with
flattery and they pay to locate. What can you talk about? Tell us severe adventures
and business are designed
shows what you’ve done. Tell us me I’ve worked with
tell us where you tell us about
the best times and the worst.>>Tell us some real horror
stories, if you like.>>Did all the people in this
program there been heard and and
come and got the same thing. This is not your
regular college.>>I can tell.>>Are you an expert?>>Sharjah knowledge, show
us how you do something
explaining a process.>>Teach us a new track.>>We’ll get back to process
that as the four-letter
word I never use. We’ll get back to that.>>It’s very important
what excites you about
design, what bothers you?>>Bring yourself back
stand on our preach
the message you thank. We’d all like to hear.>>I’m going to be 89. That means I have over eight
decades of watching life and
I’m entitled to any opinion I’m gonna give you says
right here I can do that. Stones love to hear about how
you got to where you are.>>How did you make
the transition from
stood to professional?>>Will talk about that. What advice would you
give to our students to
make that same transition? We can be here
till next Tuesday.>>Hers that much
I learned, yes.>>Your presentation and
interaction with their students
can be as formal or informal. Is you Like I never used
formality, use whatever media
you are comfortable with.>>Our goal is to put a group of
passionate, creative people all
in the same room and see what happens.>>You are the catalysts.>>Look at all these
professional, excited people out
here and, and I look at it, are you all industrial designers? Okay. Somebody shook their head
and say No, did you pay
for a ticket to this one?>>But you’re all interested
in industrial design,
variation industrial design. Okay, backing up just a little
bit, you can probably tell a
little bit from the story here, is that the earnings that the
slides going round and round Oh,
we haven’t we have a we’re still working on the
technical stuff here. There’s a button you push in
which there’s some photographs
of the different things that I worked on and what kind of run
that behind me and I don’t look
at it because you get a little bit bored.>>You can watch shows
that goes around, pictures
of all kinds of stuff. Now Industrial Design is a, It’s
sort of a catch-all and it’s
always probably the best subject fear in high school, you
always want to take drafting.>>Tell your kids when you
grow up, get married, tell
you kids take drafting.>>Because drafting, as remember
what I said there we have a
white sheet of paper and a pencil.>>We don’t need any
electronics, anything,
and expensive stuff. When I found that, I would
interview people for a job at
the different places that I I worked. They come in with a fancy
portfolio and I say, I anybody
can do Finish-Start, How do I know you can design anything? And I said, go home and
bring me or sketchy doodles. Come back tomorrow
with a sketchy do.>>What’s a sketchy doodle?>>It’s all that little stuff
that you figure stuff out, put
in the trash can, and then you make the final rendering.>>It’s really bad for everybody
today because the stupid as
designer in the world can make the best look in
computer graphic design.>>The more I look at a computer
designed, the more spook diam
because I don’t know anything about how you think and
how you design anything.>>If you had to draw it
yourself, I can get a better
idea even to his final art. But the sketchy doodle thing or
all those little things that
wire, he got an idea here and it runs down your arm and runs out
the pencil and starts going
around the piece of paper and you’re working out little
details the stuff and usually
don’t want to show it to anybody because the thoughts going
around around every minute. So in other words, when you’re
on, I’ve got a red hot designed
for something you’re all excited about it, that design Assist
evolving every few minutes and
then you come up with a paper and throw it away.>>And you just keep doing that
while some people actually, they
saved these little sketches.>>So that’s the first thing I
want to share with you tonight. That’s really the
serious, serious stuff. As you finish up an education
and you start going out to work
with a lot of people, somebody he’s going to ask you, they say,
yeah, you pay to school and they
gave me a nice rendering.>>I don’t know how you design.>>I’d like to see
how you design. If you bring me those
sketchy Doodles, because
you’ve now save them.>>You’ve got a whole
batch of them there.>>And when somebody says what
kind of education you’ve got,
well, I can design stuff. Let’s not worry too
much about my education.>>Let’s take a look at what
I can do for your company. Because I love ideas.>>I’m full of ideas.>>Here’s how I work
out some of these.>>The idea, somebody asked me
to what you were going to design
a sinking ship, for example.>>Okay. There’s a lot of
different ways to do it.>>But I can go so fast.>>On 8.5, a piece of paper
where the 2B pencil, of course,
you gotta, you gotta keep sharpening it all the time.>>You never, you never
sketch with a nine.>>He you do that
when you do drafting. Those are the kind of pictures
that if you’re a little bit
artistic, you can do a little shading and make it look really,
really neat if you’re not too
good an artist, but you think you’re a good mechanical
designer, use a little bit a
hard line and not too much shading. Example, there’s
fell in the room.>>Hero, I guess a year or two
ago, showed me a nice design. And yes, it’s a nice design. And I went right
past his nice design. I said, What about this? How does that move?>>How does this thing
a holed up in about ten
seconds, I shattered him. Wo, You may not have to do
the mechanical part to aha,
all kinds of design hashed or hurting. Why is this thing not working? What it says there? They’ll start, it’ll start.>>How long do I have to wait?>>So it’s technically, but the,
but the point being is people
always want to think of fine finished artwork for a portfolio
to take to hopefully of a big
company that you’d like to work with for quite awhile, but
don’t ever overestimate or
underestimate the value of anything to show somebody that
you know how to design your way
through stuff from the get go, right, right from
the very, very start. The reason I suggest that is in
a company like Disney, where we
had what we later are called Imagineers. You’d start with, sometimes Walt
would just walk in and that’s
what it said, movie while says, Bobby, I want you to get started
on a monorail and he walks out.>>That was the
total assignment.>>There’s no mater
ills in America.>>I’d never seen a thing like
that until about a week before
when he brought me some pictures of this German train. Heather people, we have, let’s
say extra TNC LSI as a Disney
artists, all it’s working.>>Okay, there we
go, Disney artists.>>And one day while it says
X, I want you to write the
music for the pirate ride.>>While I’m not, I’m, I
don’t, I can’t write music.>>He says, Well, it’s,
it’s time you started. You have a problem.>>Go see George bronchial, show
you the keys on the piano, just
write it and then he walks off.>>Walt did that to just about
everybody and have an idea. Sometimes they’d go just far
enough to head a story line
or a little bit of a script. So someday, Yeah, you’d start
with some words on a piece of
paper, but sometimes it was just words.>>So I don’t think any of
you are licensed engineers
yet or engineers.>>You’re thinking more as
industrial designers which are
more lets a graphic, visual things, rather than,
let’s say the the nuts
and bolts Kind of design.>>You got to bear in mind that
you can start with a terrific,
like an idea in industrial design illustrated beautifully,
but it has moving parts or it
has to function, or it has to stand up and not fall over.>>Do all those necessary
kinds of things.>>You need to be very, very
aware of everybody else’s
part of that job example.>>Let’s say you can
be do design strictly
from the external. Look at the thing. And it’s really a terrific
looking thing, but it’s moving
machinery inside that thing.>>You’ll want to make sure
you’ve got a buddy nearby
that will mentor you on the realities, the physical function
of, let’s say mechanical stuff.>>Architects usually have
a slightly easier job.>>He got to make sure it
meets earthquake code and fire
code so it doesn’t burn down.>>And if it’s ugly
building, you just plant more
IV on it so it goes away.>>If you DO machinery
that’s in public use called
Disneyland, what do we got? We got 800 million
people are written.>>The stuff that I
design and I never went
to engineering school.>>I’m totally unqualified.>>But you have to find out
about all the dangers of the
things that you designed that either might not work 4K or
could kill people if they did
something wrong, even though it’s not your line of work.>>Now you’re beginning to see
that you don’t come out of a
school like this as a great designer.>>And I do these visual things.>>And I will go to a company
and I’ll make the pictures and
then they’ll throw it over the wall to the who people are going
to figure out the tooling and
the manufacturer and all that.>>You need to know all these
there the trades go on with your
ideas so that it all will match and it’s all gonna work when
somebody designed something
because it looks really, really cool, that’s really terrific.>>And you convince
the management you we
really got something.>>Two years later it died.>>It was called Rocket rods,
also one called Luigi tires.>>So the point is you
can have the greatest
company in the world. You can be the absolute tops
that everything you do and you
can choke to death on you own hubris, think. And you are really, really good
because you didn’t take time to
look at all the little details that have to go together
to make something actually
being very, very successful. Now the reason I’m Renton OC
island, there’s another, there’s
an example that is all the parts and the Michael Jackson spiders
that killed him on stage. Those are hand-drawn.>>Those part numbers are
assigned, just assign,
read on the paper.>>You still have to track
every nut and bolt and peace in
something, even though it’s a one-shot deal, going to
run for one summer and
then then be thrown out.>>You can’t cheat on stuff.>>You just you still have to,
you have to design it, you have
to build it now with a crazy this thing up here, this
great big finger to him. Chase them around and
then kill him onstage. And he disappeared, came up
by 20 seconds later in another
part of the theatre and a and a different costume.>>Bigger companies have
departments that do all the
different parts of a trade of projects. But sometimes you’ll work for
our little tiny company that
does some real cool stuff in there. Might not even be a dozen people
there, but they gotta read ha
job and a red hot industry.>>It’s even more important
that, you know, everything else
is going to be totally involved, associated with the part of the
thing that, that you’re doing?>>Typically a job, let’s say
like Treasure Island, that
sinking ship, and Las Vegas. A job like that is sort
of like a Disney IN JOB. Disney had its own company
called wed enterprises.>>None has called imagineering.>>And then Steve Wynn in Las
Vegas, where the company had
a company called atlanta AS a select a wet enterprises design.>>And they’re the lead
designer, but they still
have to assemble a group of subcontractors to the
main part of the job.>>So these are called
sub, subcontractors. And generally speaking, there’ll
be 20 to 22 different trades.>>So another’s if I
design something, I’m only
one of, say, 22 people.>>I have to be terribly aware
of everything they need and what
is important to them both for money, time, and function. And I have to accommodate
what they’re going to need.>>So I just can’t sit there and
separately design of my way and
says, wow, I’m going to do my pictures. And it’s somebody else’s
responsibility you just keep
just can not work that way.>>The unfortunate part
of colleges, now I’m
gonna get in trouble.>>Who’s the highest
ranking person in this
employment of this company?>>Nobody will put their hand. Okay?>>Heart colleges generally
speak, and wool kind of keep
people kind of a narrow line of vendors that the subject that
you’re doing and they generally
aren’t able to point out all the other trades that have
to be accommodated.>>I wish the schools with
dual a bit more of that.>>When somebody says, oh,
industrial design, oh, let’s do
amusement rides, you ought to have somebody there or somebody
that will come in and say to do
that ride, the following things need to be done which involve
the following numbers of people
in the following traits.>>Oh, now we have
22 trades involved. Just that you could get that
awareness a little bit would be
so helpful to you as a designer.>>Hopefully I’m looking around
this room, I see a lot of faces.>>I know some of you want
to really do be in charge
of the whole design.>>I got away without a lot, but
a lot of times you can’t you can
get away with it if you’re aware of everybody else’s thing
that they need and you’ll
want to go talk to him.>>Your learner trade you
don’t want to be a real up at
and says, well, I’m the chief designer, we’re
gonna do it my way.>>You’ll want to
talk to somebody.>>You want to show somebody why
your design will be better if
they build it the way it should be. Bel>>Or if you’re
going to operate it.>>And then you can say, well,
I’m pocket park operations,
who’s going to bring me this dumb, right? That wasn’t even figured out
and it’s gotta be a dumb ride.>>And then you’re going to
be really mad at me because
I never talk to you.>>One thing Walton did was he’d
ask us that to go follow up at
the park, going out in a park and follow up with people
to see how things are going. Because if if you stay in
your ivory tower up at wet
enterprises and the park as having a terrible times.>>A lot of times they won’t
have the courage to call you up
and say your thing just broke again.>>Next guy will say, it
really sucks, doesn’t it? Yes.>>Okay.>>But you should have somebody
call you up and say, Golly, I
loved our work with you on the thing.>>I hear you’re designing
something and get that
conversation going very early. Those are the people that really
helped me a ton with workin,
with operations and maintenance down at Disneyland. We said, oh, we’re going
to designers who are
going to design this. I go down, I talked to him, I
said, well, we’re thinking of
the more I’d start talking.>>If the idea was really bad,
somebody would say Bob, did you
think about, oh no, I guess I didn’t.>>Now we have a conversation
going where there’s going to be
an interface that somebody’s going to operate it same way. Somebody’s going to be in
the middle of something
manufacturing something. Some of these things I know to
some people they say this is
deadly dole, subject them all the stuff.>>I’m not doing myself as a
lead designer, but believe me,
the more you go out and snoop around how everybody else does
their trade, you will pick
up so much free information.>>Hi. Now let’s go back to what I’ve
just started to tell you about a
college curriculums generally, they have to be kind
of structured for your
specific interests. And we don’t have this interface
going on early enough as you as
designers, but you will gradually get it later.>>That’s why that’s, that is
very, very important because
when you want to be a really, really good designer, it’s
because you understand everybody
else’s part or the whole deal. Sinking ship was a very, a
very good example because
number one, it had water.>>Don’t ever design
anything with steel is
going to be in the water. It’s going to have a lot of
electrical cabling because
there’s lot of show lighting in the ship than a ship
is going to sink. You want a sinking ship made of
metal that’s going to go down
on the water with electrical cables?>>Yes, that’s
what we want, Bob.>>Yes. Okay. Alright. Oh, by the way, we’re going to
blow up the warehouse behind
it with propane gas hug.>>We also want you to rig the
mass so that the mass when the
cannon ball hits at the mass falls over. Okay? All right, underneath all that,
we’re going to have live actors.>>Live live people
on a sinking ship. Well, yes, that’s what
the show, that’s what
the show is all about.>>So I found out too late and
the job to big companies turned
it down because they looked at this list of things that I had
to do and said, no, no, mr. when
that’s no, that’s too much. So the night before, Steve one
was going to make a grand
announcement to the press with this big beautiful model
all about the building of
the show and everything.>>He didn’t have
a company to do it.>>Saw. He has his little
brother Kenny, who which
runs the Atlantic design. Would you please phone her
friends down at Disney? Talked to Tony Baxter. Baxter talks to another fellow
Bruce, Bruce Gordon, and he
calls me because I’m over there doing some R&D fill and worked
for him and says, get a ticket
on an airplane now and meet two guys who used to work for Disney
and meet them at Atlanta, had
designed tomorrow morning for a press conference.>>I had heard on the street
they were going to sink a ship. And I thought Haute, who
was going to get that one the
things you want to turn down?>>Well, it turned out
the guy goes through the
description of the hotel. He looks at a buddy is Toni
Martel or runs a real hotel.>>He also runs more nail
Carrell Construction Company.>>And he says right in front of
everybody says, Tony, is it not
affect that you are going to build my new hotel
for $440 million.>>That’s why you
do it in Las Vegas.>>You don’t get the estimate. You tell the press when
it’s going to cost and
the guy can’t say no.>>And then he looks
around armies and who’s
going to sink the ship.>>And the three of
us, I’d met him before.>>He has Retinitis. Pigment tos a has to
look like a little tube.>>And he goes, Hey girl,
I’ve talked to you before.>>Let’s, let’s go
on a model shop. You guys take long. Let’s go, let’s go talk
about how to sink the ship. To our conversation between
maybe five people no big made
no announcement, Know-Nothing.>>And we look at the various
ways you could do stuff.>>Just the various way so that
you could see, yeah, there’s
quite a few ways to do it. And all of a sudden he gets up
and he says, okay guys, you got
the job, give me a pulmonary price on Friday. Goodbye.>>It was the same as well.>>Just do that.>>No boilerplate paper, no
request for proposal, no
proposal returned, nothing.>>Just nothing.>>But you have the
job, we go home, huh?>>What did he do? But you are so excited, you
can’t wait to grab that piece of
paper and go, Oh, we can do it this way, or we could do it
this way, do it that way. So we put together a little
working group and the matter
of 3-4 days and gave him a preliminary price for
a $30 million job. Just like that because you’re
weren’t afraid to do it because
you weren’t afraid that you weren’t trained.>>And as you can tell from this
little movie and anything, you
read my book, I did a 100 jobs for Walt Disney, 250 jobs
for everybody else after
well, after I was fired. From Walt Disney imagineering
because I was not a licensed
engineer and was not allowed to design anything
anymore after 1974.>>Oh, you say, Oh, this
is my best day, I’ve gotta
go, I’ve gotta go device.>>So the fact that you, you
develop over time, course, I
didn’t have it coming out of Art Center College.>>You develop a, a belief in
yourselves in some manner.>>You develop a confidence
that, yeah, these are risky
things, but somebody’s asked me to do it.>>Let me see what
I could figure out.>>But you do that beyond
what you were taught.>>And an ordinary college,
whether an ordinary curriculum
that the federal government and state government
says we have to do.>>We don’t want, have
lot chance for other
elec election subject. So that’s another key thing
that I wish colleges would
talk a little bit more about.>>The fact that, yeah, you
gotta degree you got through the
course proves only one thing.>>You’re very good at
memorizing in the middle
of the night for a test.>>Now the problem with
tests up, gotta hate death.>>I never took. Some of you can tell that’s
how I wound up and sent
the military academies.>>And cordial, The point is,
can you actually think, can
you think anybody can do that? Memorizing has really,
really very hard. I had a heck of a time
what I still do, I have I
have no short-term memory.>>Do you know how hard
it is for a guy like
me to dial a telephone.>>Anybody else can
do all the numbers.>>I have to do the first three. Maybe I can get the other three.>>When I look at the second
time, I might not get all
the four of the last batch. I have to work around
work around that.>>Okay.>>So the fact that you have
this curriculum and I try to
describe Crick, and let’s say it’s a 4-year college, gets like
a water trough and it starts
here and it slopes that way. And this is call what
semester one, whatever we,
whatever we call it nowadays.>>And at the other end, maybe
two to four years away, depend
on the type of college you’ve memorize really good.>>And just before that last
crunch, just before graduation,
you actually pass the tests. But it did not prove,
you know, anything.>>It’s only that
you’ve got that far.>>You’ve got this little
deployment houses, Bachelor of
Arts, whatever, whatever it says at the end.>>And you’re on your way.>>Now.>>Let’s let’s back
up a little bit.>>You leave high school and you
got all your buddies in high
school and some of them are parents just do not
have money for school.>>Sometimes I now they’ve I’d
rather not go to a college.>>I’ve always done my own thing
and my own garage my own way. And why do I need to college?>>There we go.>>Two people.>>One guy goes to the college
by some financial means.>>The other guy says, No, I,
I like to work on motorcycles
and I loved to build stuff.>>There’s a little shop
down the street and I can
get a gopher job there.>>They’ll let me
come in as an intern.>>It’ll pay very much, but I’m
going to start working on it.>>And then four years later,
his body comes out of the
college with the Diploma and he’s looking for a job and he’s
got a student loan or what have
you never went to college?>>Yeah.>>But I have a position
in a bigger company now. We design stuff.>>I know a lot of stuff.>>I got paid to know it.>>I didn’t pay to know it.>>There’s a big difference.>>I got paid to know
as I was doing it.>>And the other big thing
is colleges do not teach
organizational politics, but industry is full of
organizational politics. Do not ever
underestimate that, ever.>>But this kid that didn’t
go to college, he knows
organizational politics. He knows how to survive in any
kind of an organization by being
very smart, very observant. He’s already had hands-on
experience in the shop and now
he’s up there where he’s helped on the engineers do stuff and
he’s starting to oh, they’re
going to teach him how to do NC machining and all
programmed the thing.>>I’m a little box and
put the metal and it spins
around, makes the parts. And he goes out and helps
the client with stuff and
helps repair stuff now.>>But the time he as an
official designer at that
company, he is already has the knowledge of that industry
and he’s very fluent in it,
and he never spent a dime. These are two different
ways to get your education. Obviously, I’m speaking to the
people that got here and I
unfortunately, I can’t tell the people that can’t come over here
that they do have an advantage
that I’ve seen that happen so many times with
people over the years.>>In fact, that one
guy comes to mind. We were look enough for some
people and I interviewed about,
I think it was 42 people.>>Almost all were
college educated.>>Some had already been
in the aircraft industry
for most of their lives.>>Very professional.>>But the one that got the job
was the guy on a high-school who
came in with a sketchy doodles and look around the shop
and says, all fishes all I
really like how that’s done.>>Oh, I’d like to design one
just like that and say, By the
way, I am I really good with people.>>I like to go out in the field
and help people fix stuff. That guy had all the
attributes that rolled up.>>And one, and he and he just
came on to high school about
less than a dozen years after he did a job with a certain
my prime drafting
Gopher on King Kong. And 86, it was a project
manager, a universal.>>He got a manager job
and Universal Design
never went to college. And he started at the bottom
because he thought that was the
most enthusiastic weight way to get started.>>So I’ve probably insulting a
few people that are have to do
with college education here. The reason I mentioned the water
trough is if you are water and a
trough, you can’t jump out of the trough, can you? You know, you’re stuck.>>You slosh for four semesters
all the way down to the n.>>And if you, and if you’ve got
all the greats right, you get
the hopeful years closer to a 40 you’re going to get.>>And then they give you the
diploma and you’re on your way.>>Do you know
what just happened? You probably lost all your
creative flexibility. You have been told how
to do something in a by
rote series of events.>>If I start at a go only to
be followed by a C and stuff.>>When I get to z, i probably
have got the machine figured
out or the design figured out.>>I can assure you.>>Absolutely not. Absolutely not.>>Yes.>>You’re in the water trough,
but I want to make sure that
you understand the difference between being in the water
trough and the people that never
gotten a water trough to begin with, they have a flexibility of
thinking and approach to things
because they don’t have the terrible word process. I get process all the time. People will look at me,
you’re smiling, sir.>>I get this all the time.>>People say, Bob, tell me
about your process and I go the
what and then everybody catches on. Okay.>>Yes.>>You have to have process.>>Yes.>>But did you know there’s
a smart way to do a process? You probably can see that I’ve
done 250 jobs and I didn’t
repeat on one of them if I did the same job over and over
every month and I just
kept refining the design. Like, let’s say I make something
to do with toothbrushes. In industrial design, I
do the same thing over and
over for my entire life.>>You need a process
because you’re, you’re going
to a very narrow channel.>>That’s a way you
want to do that. What if you get jobs
in industrial design? That might be you go run
display, you see how many things
are on the hall and the designs, a variety of designs
in this place. This is a fabulous place.>>The interesting thing is
everyone up is different.>>You want to have one process
take big job, little job on all
these different direction.>>You want to make that
process from a to Z work?>>No, no, no, no, no.>>What you do.>>Somebody asked you to do
something, you’ve never done it.>>And if you’re a thinker,
take a broad brush, look at the
whole thing from here to there. And just, just a broad idea of
what’s going to be involved.>>Look around and see where
the main chunks of it are.>>Some of the small little
stuff, you don’t worry about it.>>Find out what are the big
chunks that are serious for
time, money, and failure.>>And you look at all of those,
so you kinda get a broad-brush
lay of the land, so to speak.>>Before you do anything, then
you start in on the critical
items, talk and everybody about what’s involved.>>And as you go along partway
through, it might, you might
gone halfway through and you found the process
that fits that thing.>>Because the progress process
sort of came out of what you’re
doing the whole darn time.>>So by the time you get to the
end, if you’re about 90% there.>>And then somebody says,
tell me about your process.>>I can tell you all about it
until I how it got started and
why it got started that way.>>Because it fits
the thing we’re doing. That’s a big difference than
always have the assumption I
have to have a process before I can get anything done.>>It’s the, it’s
the whole concept. Can you think? Can you teach yourself to be
fearless and look at stuff?>>And when somebody says, Bob,
I want you to get started on
something, you don’t even pause.>>You go, yes. Then you go home and say,
oh, what did I just do?>>Oh, here comes a good part.>>If you can think and if
you’ve been curious, we’re
gonna come back to curious. And the minute here,
if you can thank and you’ve
been curious all your life. You already know quite
a bit about this job. Somebody got you to
agree to do oecus.>>You’re not dead in the water. You got just enough.>>Let’s visualize it this way.>>Let’s say that we have a big
piece of cardboard, and right
now it’s mostly Gray, has a few little black and white.>>The difference between a
grayish, it’s nondescript little
black and white squares as specific, a specific
answer what you want to do.>>But as soon as you get
going, convert that gray square
into a bunch of black and white squares. You might not get them
all, but you’ll get a lot.>>So since you know a couple
of them, why don’t you go ask
some people some question.>>Since you’ve been
collecting people, you’ve
been nosing around.>>You’re curious, you’ve
been asking questions
of people right away.>>You have a whole bunch
of experts wherever you go. Back in my day we
had no entered.>>I can’t look up anything.>>Encyclopedia Britannica,
it’s ten years old. What’s gonna tell me? Internet. You guys got it made. You guys got the internet.>>You can just going on
like that and you’d get all
kinds of stuff in your mind.>>You can fill in so much
unknowns based upon the few
knowns that you’ve got.>>I saw everybody
worked that way.>>They just charge and
under just getting all that
information as fast they can figure it out and you wind up
yes, you can actually do a job
when you approach it that way that you don’t have to be
terrified that you say,
I don’t know anything. You probably know
more than you think.>>If you have been curious how
many people ever read about Walt
Disney and saw that there was talk about Walt
Disney’s curiosity. Never seen that. Who got more hands at time one,
you see a curious person there,
the dog-gone, just people.>>Walt was always looking at
something when you travel around
with him, go visit different companies or people who
bring stuff and look at. He was always looking and
asking about everything.>>He loved to travel.>>Go to London and go down to
some side street and snoop into
shops and see what he could see.>>A total curiosity. A lot of people that you run
across, I I’ve seen fully retire
antique people at age 26.>>Been there done that? Not cool. I’m not a nerd.>>I don’t want anybody
to think of me as a dark. So I don’t do any of this
stuff that’s domino dorky. I text-align, I
love video games. I don’t need to be
curious about anything. Well, sorry fella.>>There’s the curious
people that are going
to go right on past you.>>How many people in here can
smile at me and say, You
understand what curiosities like because from the time you’re a
little lady Biddy kid, you got
passionate about something.>>Any hands?>>Whoa, no, I know we gotta
live wire bunch in here. Sometimes I’ll be at a bank
called meeting someplace. And the, and the big question
always is a parent will come up
and they got somebody who either this height, that height I can
think of one at one a min here. And they said, Oh, my child
wants to be an imaginary B.>>And imagine here, do
you know how hard it is
to do imaginary work? You don’t want to be something,
you want to do something.>>So that’s a big gigantic
difference right off the bat.>>And then I get really
snarky with them when they
say, What does my child need?>>And sometimes I’ll I’ll get
like a six or seven years old.>>Now, say you have
to choose your parents. Well, because you want
DNA that you can use. Do you know how
many kids get it? They get it.>>They looked at
my old man as well.>>I don’t have
it seriously now. Now we’re into the
dead serious stuff.>>You didn’t you
do need that DNA. It’s it’s that’s there that
you’re building cards.>>If you don’t quite have
the full deck, you can work
on get the FOLDOC good DNA.>>And without great amount of
curiosity, enthusiasm, you will
make up for that, then you will get there very, very well
because you will be driven
by your curiosity and your creativity.>>So if you get to the
Curiosity is clicking
information and then the creator, unless it’s
taken some of that and
go do something with it. How we doing on time?>>What minutes?>>Oh, okay. Yeah.>>Yeah.>>Okay.>>Sometimes I do the Q
and a first to find out
what you want to know. And then sometimes I
do this and then we’ll
do the kinda yellow B.>>Ok, I got it right.>>What was the
last thing I said?>>Matrilineal gathered in.>>Okay.>>All right.>>The next step is that on
the Curia curiosity point. Hopefully when you’re about
five years old and I’ve seen as
almost every imagine, imagined or we’ve got really good, they
had a passion develop really,
really early in their lives.>>They’ll have four
or five years old.>>Sometimes else parallel,
we’ll talk about how good the
kid is and then I’ll look at the kitten. I says what term you on at five
years old>>And they either go
with the old men, say, Okay, we’re done, or that’s it.>>Oh, let me tell you about it.>>And are so excited, they just
who they get all excited because
he develop this curiosity that he developed a passion about
stuff, and then that passion
starts driving them all the way through high school.>>And, uh, so super to be in
high school where you have a
little bit of choice on electives to arrange the
curriculum in your direction
that fits your curiosity and your passion. Now you got the
schoolwork and for you for
once and as helping you.>>And then hopefully by the
time you get, say, coming out
of high school, college, maybe, maybe not.>>You’ve been having
that life a curiosity. You could sit down
and surprise yours. Do know how much you actually
know about the entire world
because you’ve been automatically curious
about everything. I mean, it is the total driving
thing and anybody can do it. And once I understood that,
that’s very important. Walt was one of the guys. He just he just happened
to have it all the time. I’ll be down in about
less than five minutes. Somebody looked at me
one day and says, girl,
what’s your curiosity? What do you do with
that at your age? It’s crazy. I tell people I said hobby in my
rocking chair on a Friday night
and I’ll sit there and got, you know how much I know Friday that
I did not know Monday, I’m on
the Internet, I’m reading, I’m traveling, I’m going,
I’m doing I’m looking
I’m figuring out stuff. 50 minutes of oxygen
deprivation, my 7200 RPM drive
will wind down or Lawler centers will dump. And I have nothing because 50
minutes oxygen and loss will
wipe out the entire library. Why are you still doing this GR,
because I’m curious and I like
it and it leads to something. And I’m telling you, I’ve
had eight decades and watch
and people no one’s got it. Boy, do they ever, ever,
ever have a good time? Like, I’m having a good
time right now, so Q. Q. And a. Who has got the first question
that I have never heard before? You’re all lucky, all asleep. Not one not one hand
on the house went up.>>Here’s a question.>>Just kinda just shout, shout. Yes.>>Those are all like
something a Disneyland.>>Okay. Well, that is the main
street fire engine.>>Yeah. Yeah.>>Every boy wants
a fire engine. Won awards. Nine old men, animator Ward
Kimball, good friend of mine. Years before I went to this, uh,
went over to work for Disney,
had in 1916, American la France fire engine. And he was a friend of Phil. I was doing works well when I
started writing books when I was
19, and word says, come on down, I want you to drive
my fire engine and a
parade and Temple City. And I go down there and I drive
the fire engine and upgrade. I’m like I’m 19 years old, I’m
20 years old, I’m Dr. Anna read,
antique fire engine and the parade. You never get over the Wu
part we opened does now with
a horse-drawn fire engine. It wasn’t practical. One day Walt would come into
my office and just Center. We chat a little bit. Name were the dead moment there. And I said, well, we
don’t have a fire. And John mainstream NOW, bobby,
we don’t in about ten minutes
later, the accounting department phones up and said
what was just here? Here’s the new project account
number on the new fire engine
fired draw itself. So I designed it, we built it,
and I got a DMV moving permit
for it and I drove it down to Santa Ana Freeway. I got I got what a
traffic was super heavy. Ash Dana right lane. It’ll it’ll go 30 miles. And hearts got to
cylinder’s drive down there
and get down about Norwalk. And then you gotta get off and
you gotta take the surface
streets in all left, right, left, and all the way down. And I got this corner and
a little teeny kid on a corner
and I come around a corner, I’m still left my head of
this little kids AS
MR. by their GI me. You’ll get there or
will it burned down? I scale the car so it fits
Main Street, the architecture
of the small architect. And about ten years ago,
I was in, down in Long
Beach and I was afraid. I saw floats and things
in horses and stuff come. And I saw this little
itty bitty fire agent. And about a block
away, I looked, I just
got my fire engine. I didn’t realize there was that
tiny when you sit in the real
world, not on Main Street. Anyway, you did ask me the
question and that’s saw when
I’m there, I ride my fire. Okay. Who’s got a serious question? Yes, sir. Yes.>>Go meet with you. My guess no.>>Gasoline. Gasoline?>>Yeah.>>Yeah. They they’ve since I
went to a cleaner fuel. Yeah. Oh, yuck. System looks the same. It’s still retina,
still mind question.>>Did walk ever ask
anything you perceive
was too much or too who?>>Did you understand
this question? Did wall ever asked
people by doing something
that was too much? Won’t head. About five or six guys,
like a little core of people
like the guy at my boss. Roger brigade, Sr. was
charge of all mechanical,
everything all right. And attractions. He had one guy that was
in charge of all soft goods,
one guy in charge of all the architecture, another guy
that was in charge of like
live action shows stuff. And Walt was never a guy
that issued an order. He gets started on something and
he’d say say we’re thinking of
doing, do you think something like that would work? He’s asking you now, all these
guys knew that Walt was kinda
guy as you never have a yes man around. A guy like that, like walt
wall truly wants your opinion
because he values your opinion. That’s why you’re there. That’s why that gathered
you up and you’re there. This this little handful of
people Dick Irvine, Joel, father
Frank, Wellington broke all those guys walk, could have a
conversation with anyone and if
something was in there airy was going to not work quite right. They let won’t know right away. There’s some things, maybe
you don’t want to go that
far doing it that way. So wall always had these
people around him that
we’re very aware of. Where are there
the painful limits? I’ve gone too far. Pick everybody says, Oh,
Disney, such a dream. Who dream? Yes, everything’s dream. No, it’s full of broken parts. If your dream doesn’t work
out, you have to temper that
wish of that dream and get it. Or everybody can look and say,
Yeah, I see rpart, Yes, I can
see how we could get this done. So if you look back at Walt’s
history, he never really
sputtered at anything. But at the same time, you never
did anything over, particularly
animation movies just never deterred over. It was always some new step
that was always going to be
a risky step no matter what. But you don’t do the
risky step without him. Some people you trust
go right along with
you that you can trust. And they do not have the fair to
look at wont say that will work. That’s yeah, that’s going
to be a little risky. I had another guy. I work, work whether
much like what? Steven Spielberg, we’re looking
at both a movie and we’re
looking at both and attraction. And every time there is
suggestion would come up where
it’s looking a bit risky. I could say, Stephen, you better
give them a little thought. There’s gotta be some
problems with that. And then he was simply say, oh,
well, let’s try it this way. So I got the impression
Steven Spielberg is
like water in a stream. When it comes to a bolder,
doesn’t stop and cry. And LBT issue orders, it
turns goes run the boulder. Just like that. You have this flexibility. You’re thinking because you’re
not afraid, because you
understand being flexible. And two, you get or
you want to go is the way
it’s what’s going to work.>>And having the key thing
about, wow, ooh, yes, with
within the realm of being unique and originality in the state of
worthy perks are now closely
associated to films, Star Wars, Harry Potter, whatever it maybe.>>What’s your take on that?>>Oh, stories are stories. It doesn’t matter
which came first. It’s kind of funny that you
have a route 66 Cars Land. Yeah. But there was a there was a
Route 66 before there was a Cars
Land on oh, there’s a Cars Land move because there was a
route 26 or a Cars Land. What is it? It’s all it’s all a
mix that’s all stories and
they bounce back and forth. Pirates look like it’s perfectly
okay to have stories crossover
in all different directions. Just do the story really,
really, really cool. If you look, I’ll get to you. If you look at a lot of
the Disney movies and
a lot of the cartoons. Now, where did Snow
White come from? That was written by somebody. When, where, how long ago? Look at Alice in Wonderland. What’s the only cartoon
that didn’t work very well? Because the guy that wrote Alice
in Wonderland too much do this. Okay?>>You had a question,
goes beyond our marble.>>Thought.>>He had a heart attack, which
would not have to answer.>>I got fired in 1981, so I
wouldn’t be good answering a
question about what Disney did after they fired me, because
it’s a different set of errors. But Pixar, as you’ve gotta
remember, John Lasseter teamed
up with Steve Job’s and last year he got fired. Two, yes. So yes, the creative work that
John lacerated did epics are by
the time he came down here and help with Cars Land, that’s why
Cars Land is such a super super
attraction based on a movie that was based on a road. And when I went to Detroit, I
drove Route 66 all the way. I really remember
Route 66, dead Pontiac. A good Steam. Every time something happened,
a universal joints fell out. But it was Route 66.>>Yep.>>So those stories all mix and
a lot of mixed very, very well. So they cross utilization is
fine on my book because
remember, everything has got to have a good story or it
just doesn’t work well. It could be a lousy
movie, allows the video
are lousy attraction. But if the stories good,
then it’s all good. Okay. Way in the back.>>Hi, I think
testing time, KKK. Thank you. I think that’s what a
thumb hacker, Craig.>>Her habit be fashioned great
BY thinking about becoming a
good habit that he tired, I thought, Okay, I never gave a
thought to be imaginary because
I was working at Disneyland long before somebody coined the word
imagine Air, and would just,
while wants are still come over and get started on everything. So it started very IMF
infra, informally and moving
at a very, very high speed. I can eat your question a
slightly different way. Five years old. I’m very passionate
about cars and airplanes. By the time I was barely 2.5, I
knew what an airplane wasn’t. I knew at a car was on
that was that turned me on. It still turned on to day. So I would have to say I was
more turned on by seeing
something come into being that I was doing that doesn’t exist. I mean, that is a very, very
broad, broad open area. And that’s almost goes without
speaking that any designer, you
do an awful lot of daydream. You forget where your goal in. Sometimes you forget the phone,
your mother, and all these kind
of things that happened because Your head is just gone like that
because you are so excited about
crazy stuff you want to see done? I don’t have any recollection
from the time I knew. And a pencil lies a
what I wanted to do. I wanted to see things that
aren’t there cuz I could doom. I really got in trouble very
early age, I had some Crayolas
and we had a white plaster wall in my closet. And that was our biggest
scratch board I ever saw. And my mother cut may make and
drawing air airplane airplane
fights because we live in an airport. And after that, I had
unlimited supply a paper. So these are characteristics
our soul so early. And they gravitated all the
way through grammar school,
particularly the military. Can I loved the military academy
because they give you real
assignments to go work on a member that gave me one. They said go out and learn about
oil wells, how they work, and
come back in here and make a model of it. And I’m in the third grade. God, I was terrific to be
inspired and because it was
exactly what I wanted to do. So is an innate
thing that you have. You don’t suddenly get it
because of word like, oh,
I want to be an imaginary. Sorry for little bit of sarcasm
And the answer, but that’s
otherwise who hair we’re going. Yes. I wish I had more time to study. I came over about 430. So I got a quick look and I got
the one out in the front about
if you’re scared of aviation. Yeah, that was pretty
good idea on that one. And then now a fellow showed me
a shoe that can do all kinds of
stuff that’d be really cool to do if he could get
a shoe to do that. Looking up and down
some of the halls. It’s such a variety ideas, some
of the illustrations are really
great look and I wish I had more time to see how the function
might work that the engineer
side of me says, yeah, I want to, I want to see how
that might, might work. So the quality of what’s gone
on in a big broad-brush range. And these as hallway,
this is terrific. So, but I’m sorry, I didn’t get
a chance to have a lot of people
jump on me and I got a chance to go look at everything, but
maybe I should come back now. Alright. Oh, here we go. Nowadays, history now that
perceive yes and yes, everything
you can probably tell in the morning, first thing in the
morning, I have emails, I have
fan mail, and I have fan mail that comes in the post
from the post office. I follow a whole bunch
of industries again
up in the morning. I’m I’m still an old man. I read the LA Times on
the on the computer. I got a 27 inch big giant Mac. I, I love history
of civilizations. Why were some
civilizations good and what
happened to some of them? I’m watching the change
of the civilization
of the United States. It is a fascinating change. I remember President Roosevelt
running and the 1936 campaign
because my grandmother hated democrats. So I took note that y,
what is this ruckus? She doesn’t like this me. He’s our president. So it’s been that
way ever since. I follow everything
all the time. I, I’ve I’ve subscribed to so
many magazines over the years. I have a little e-reader I do
stuff on, I read National
Geographic’s all kinds of stuff. And as some of you know, I
was a pilot for 50 years. I flew gliders and motor
gliders are 50 years. The idea of going up in an
airplane without a motor over
the mountains and you never die. That’s my normal Weekend
Today on my 27 inch Mac. Under my draft, I shall ever
drafting board underneath
it has rudder pedals. And out behind a computer,
I pull it around here. I have the thrust lever
over here, and I have
the stick over here. And I fly regularly, about 15
different airplanes and one
helicopter, my favorite airplane to the boeing 737 dash 800
is sort of my standard get
in a drive type airplane. I was just in Las Vegas last
night with a helicopter in 76
helicopter, 10 thousand pound helicopter. And I’m learning to hover
next to the stratosphere
tower without hitting it. You know how intense this is? Hell that 55 minutes
in the helicopter, I’m
ready to go to bed. Turn heck, I’m going to go. Yeah, that’s a long way
answer to I am intensely
interested in what I do. I didn’t start mountain
biking until I was 68. I’m 43. C causes I’ve done
the 56 countries, some
of them many times. I still got a bucket list
of stuff I want to do yet. I do about 50 public appearances
a year, podcast, live radio, TV,
I even do college lectures. I, I am so busy, I could
say I’m going to be
89 less than 12 years. I’ll be uh-huh. Yeah. Nine tend to be busy
the entire time. Okay. Who’s got another quote?>>Oh yes, yes are built to
scientists and say, You know, I
never got around to doing too many personal projects because
the projects that I was being
paid to do, we’re number one, their personal, their mind.>>And that’s my Amman
or a my fire engine. It’s all in a way much
more much more personal,
but it was on waltz nickel. But who were doing
my personal ones? As you saw the yellow Dodge van
I in 1971, I looked around at
motor homes because I always wanted to have one. I’ve never found
on it was any good. And they’re all kind
of dorky looking site. Okay, I’ll just design one. So I bought just
the Bausch assay, took
about like us 18 months. And I built that whole thing on
my lawn so I didn’t have any
rivets and faster showing in it. It was real sleek like it, but
it was something I could design,
build, and engineer and do the whole thing myself
on my front lawn.>>Yeah.>>So yeah, I’ve I’ve only I
never really got around to many
personal things and that’s what I was really doing
was really hot stuff.>>Yeah.>>Yes. She’s very oh, well, when
working for Disney way out,
we’re very aware of all the kinds of projects and different
theme parks around the country. And yet another types
of media were quite aware of
stuff that wasn’t very good. It’ll be just from the viewpoint
of Disney, were better than
everybody else, but everybody else was getting pretty
good, a lot of stuff. So you have kind of a natural
feeling for when somebody says,
say, we have a gig for you. Would you be interested if I
find out the people who are
going to be on this new gig, worked on that. And I would say no, I’m going to
be on vacation during that time. It would be unfair for me to
take up your time doing, which
was a way of saying this thing is really going to suck and
I’m not going to work on it. But yes, it is very serious. What, what the point here was. I watch so many jobs
that weren’t very good. I was very aware of
who was really good. And every time the phone
rang and my question to
them was, who’s on it? I want to know who’s on and if
the and if all were 18 people
that’s away, Ella, stockholm, all rock come up
and talk to you. But if there was beating
people, sorry, that’s
not going to do it. You do not want operate
a company full of men. Come, poops, just, you
just don’t want to do it. And that’s a choice. You get to make that choice. Even if you’re starving, Do
not take on a job because
you will be starving now. You’ll really starve
when it fails. And everybody found
out you were on it. You don’t want to have people
know that about you, that you
did not choose correctly.>>Sorry for my sarcasm, but
that’s that’s the way it is when
the next Guo walk I’ll get right back to yes, changes made
to the parser project.>>I enjoyed the first 60 years. Do you get my drift? I really don’t
want to go further. Napa got midriff. You got my drift. Yeah. There’s there’s a book written
by Nichols, but Chris Chris
Chris Nichols guarded Lee called Walt Disney’s Disneyland. Great book about that thick best
book on that 60 years I have
ever, ever read, create Chris, as a super researcher. He wrote he insisted on writing
the forward to my book. Yeah, he said is that
they’ve gotta guy, but it’s
politica like his can’t. Yeah. Ok. Yes or no, excuse me. And he first he beat
you, just lost one.>>You could have a do
over one of your projects
or any other designer. What would, what would that be? If there is any,
if there are any?>>Bob Dylan said, never
look back if he understand
his book, ever stay up, up. He’s still why that’ll
goat is really still alive. But dot sing and watching people
in the era of the mid, the mid
sixties was an indelible experience. So I kind of understood when he
says don’t look back because
number one, your question would be hypothetical. Your ship has sunk. Why are we talking about? Say it’s as simple as that. So I just I’m always
moving that way. I’m not going that way, I’m
going to go on this way. But people do ask. So thanks Fred. Okay. Now you voice isn’t Oh,
well, I went, I went, I
don’t want to do cars. Had a architecture teacher high
school who said, if you get your
architecture lessons for the day Done, Go ahead, draw cars. I’m drawing cars and
our architecture clash. Because the guy
knows I’m interested. He says, go to Art
Center College. I go there halfway through. I get a General
Motors scholarship. Due to a complicated story. I wanted to put the Ford Motor
Company instead on GM’s money. Hahaha decided after a year and
a day that Detroit sucked and I
blew a four-year college to design cars, which was my dream. And I get there and the
dream was not there. So I just quit one day and came
back here and stopped in where
a guy than I was do work before and he said, oh, there’s a
bunch of work for a start
doing stuff then, now. And then about a year, I gotta
call to go to the Disney studio. And that was that? Yes, it was a period where I was
doing design for a car company
in Detroit, but doing it through a consultant company. And I was mechanized
drawings every week and
pumping them out every week. I come at about ten in the
morning, do the drawings
to go to the beach. And these guys found out later
that I was doing all that. They thought they were
paying me for eight hour day
and work with our setting. And how do you do that? Well, that’s what we
would do in California. It’s all. And I had to go to the Disney
studio work seven days a week,
I’ll sell my beach afternoons. Response is that the body
for the older law told
me a car the very first. The very first you saw
that little red car? Yeah. Yeah. Do the body for that
for the car get yeah.>>Yeah.>>Okay. Well, way at the back. So you mentioned that
you worked for Ford. Who actually has dreams of
working for Ford would do, what
would you say your opinion? But it’s I didn’t get quite
of the last of the airplane. Sarah, what quite it with the
last part of the question.>>Maybe you could somebody
repeat it loud since you
mentioned that you did for what to buy what killed the dream?>>I didn’t quite get.>>It kills the dream
for working for Ford.>>What I’m I guess you
would kill the dream work.>>You’ve referred fall.>>I thought I was
going to design a car. They gave me an assignment. Draw hood ornaments
all day long. It turned out they had a kid,
Dylan hubcaps that the guy doing
other stuff sometimes that guys do remodel on a car. I always work on a car which
later became the Edsel. And I forgot I was working as we
call it, the Monterey project
and later became the Edsel, which became the laughing
stock of the industry. But I just did not see a future
and making endless hoedown or
they wanted 20-30 hood ornaments a day. That’s just thought it was the
dream of design a car, go to Art
Center, get a job or scholarship due to a political situation,
get fired, hired by Ford, and in
two weeks time, find out, am I going to design hubcaps
and hood ornaments?>>No, no.>>So I came back
just like that.>>Yeah, in the back mentioned
in the film about how the
artist’s success is kind of based off of how they
see the blank page. I’m just wondering how you see
a blank white piece of page. When you first start drawing,
what are your thoughts in the
intrinsic motivation to start a guy to go limb
on some things and say
conservative, but others.>>Outstanding question
is right to the point
of the whole lecture. How many of you are
familiar with Marty scar? With our head imagined air, and
he’s on the internet a lot and
he would always talk about the blank piece of paper,
one person, it would
totally terrify them. Which goes to your question,
how do you get excited
on a white piece of paper? And another person would say,
would be, I get to design my
way right now, just like that. Those are two distinct
mind reactions to the
white piece of blank paper. First-person That has
to ask the question,
how do I get motivator? How do I start? I’m so sorry. A lot of folks just
did not get the DNA. That said, I’m curious
and I’ll draw it my way. And one handed the piece of
paper, it said in public,
and I’m scared to death. I don’t know what to draw first. That as terrifying. At a really terrifying, I’m
not sure what the heck to do,
except, well, maybe it could take up music or something,
something it won’t terrify you. Yeah, but for some of us who
that white piece of paper was. Oh man, it’s so glorious. I’m deadly serious when I tell
you everything I ever did for
Walt Disney, I never had him or anybody describe much more
that criteria than to get
started, stop and think. And that’s unheard of today. Nobody does that anymore. But the fact that in the Disney
organization that was that was
the expected thing, that monorail I talked about the
purity, the simpler design. That design show up on my
kitchen table one morning, about
two days after he asked me to do it. It just suddenly was there
one morning and I couldn’t
draw it fast enough. Ten minutes came in the next
business day and made that
made that rendering quick. So that rendering, John put the
color on later, but it was just
a pencil drawing that happened in less than a week from the
time he said get started because
I had a clear shot and nobody in front of me and nobody telling
me what to do or what not to do. And I could just see what
would fit the northeast
corner Disneyland. It just PITCHSHIFT, which
you could draw out thing fast
enough because it was simple. You didn’t have to
sit there and noodle it
over and over and over. Architects spent too much time
going round and round with our
fuzzy little details. And pretty soon it’s a
mishmash when you’re, when
you’re designer stuff. If you’re good exciter on
something, be sure and what
those first little sketches out and don’t, don’t noodle to death
because you are, your first
thoughts are usually going to be the purest. Once you ever look at a Disney
book on cartooning, particularly
in the thirties, like Bambi upped Pinocchio. Those first little sketches
have all the emotion that
comes out of that pencil. And the more it’s noodle,
the worse it gets. There’s a lot of Disney books
on, on animation, animation
design, which is just like industrial. Zeno’s first few little flexes. The pencil, I have that
little first inspiration
that you see in your head. Be sure and get that
down and, and honored. Don’t let don’t let they need
to keep over decorating get
get in the way of a pure shot.>>Well, who else has go, oh
yes, so Athena as the pinnacle
of technology when it comes to triumph at time o. How many conversations that you
have to make to make it work
legally in a work Lincoln.>>Did you get his
question about Lincoln? I’m a car guy, I’m an
Airplane Guy, and Walt
hits me with human. I didn’t pay attention to
life drawing at Art Center. I don’t guide. I’m not an artist. And I was very curious because
there the company was involved
with the state of Illinois for a lincoln exhibit, New York
World’s Fair in 196465. They’re already built. The building
buildings aren’t away. Their staffing people. And there’s no Lincoln. Everything else to the shows
there, but no Lincoln. I did not know there was such a
thing going on because it wasn’t
a secret room and our and our machine shop. And then Walt called my boss,
Roger, and I over there. And I looked in this room
and I saw this really might
be pathetic looking machine.>>It didn’t work.>>There was guys behind
the wall helping it
get up out of the chair. That had been developed secretly
in the machine shop by guys who
are just like regular guys. They weren’t guys that would
draw back and try to figure out
what are we trying to do here? And they’d worked a year and
Walt was so upset because the
night before we use hydraulic fluids with kind of a
red nose, They had a rigorous
standard like aircraft fluid. And a tube came loose and
I went all over the shirt. And he was showing a
lady friend to his. She was curious,
how dare you reenact the
killing Abraham Lincoln? You can imagine Walt
was just on fire. And I remember he looked at that
thing and he said, Bobby, I want
twice as many moves and half as much weight. And I want you and Roger To get
started on this thing right now. I walked out and I just was
like handed a human being. And about a day later, while we
had a guy in a shop where you
have a full-sized sculpt of Abraham Lincoln, yet
about six foot four. And this form. So I ordered the phone and I
laid Roundtable and I put lines
aren’t like you do a car body design than I saw them all up in
the in the bandsaw and numbered
all the parts for their stations. Oh, look, I got a table
for a round steak and all
the legs and everything. Why am I going to do? I gotta figure out where do all
the bearings got word of the
board of the shoulders go, how did they move? And then Walt immediately he
said, I have an idea, how about
we get an actor to come in here, will dress him up like
a Lincoln arrival. One camera shot or do a 30 or 35
millimeter strip will do it with
a mirror so you can see the motions. And then I’ll give you
the clip strip and, and
you can run it on a movie. Older machine will send,
won’t overdo to maple
so that you can do that. Oh, that’d be good because
that movie all machine now. And then I can draw on a one. I watch the actor removed C
where the parts are going to go. So all, yes, I was a
big help solve all like
within a day or two. He says, come over the studio
Saturday morning, we gotta guy. So we go in there and there’s a
camera guy, a grip, and royal,
they know the actor and myself. A quiet set and the actor
goes through the motions. And I was watching the motion. If I’m going to figure out where
all the body movements, goal and
a guy Did, I thought, really good job. And then Walt snaps
enemies, says no, no, no. He says do that over. I felt sorry for the
guy because we’re only
trying to get this clip. And then at the third take, I
thought, oh, my poor guy have
MAB because just void to the third take. I’m every grabbed a Coatney
went and then the third one,
I I’ve felt sorry for the guy. And then just as he
adds, wall jumps up and
he starts leading us. And the Battle Hymn of the
Republic he saw in his mind the
show background, if you ever saw the pictures, the clouds turned
into the American plague. To that music. He knew where he was, Golan. He wouldn’t tell anybody. Then what I know. And I see the show Lincoln
because this was October 63,
I only had 90 days to stop my other job, do that, then go
back to my regular job at NCI. Opened. It spooked me because that was
the soundtrack from this actor
Walcott, that man so upset because he knew Lincoln was
having a terrible time. The head of the Democratic
Party hated his guts. That war. He was losing the war. He was As disappointed as
anybody could be and walk. Got that. On a royal day? No. None of us knew that’s
what he was doing. He was like that. So that Lincoln thing was at
such an indelible memory that
morning, but I jumped on it. I saw immediately Abraham
Lincoln as an airplane fuselage,
small tubing, little tiny bearings. I had, I had a World War Two
glider and my graduate, I was
restoring the few slash little 2B. I can immediately see space
wise, that would be really,
really super easy to do, just just bunch of little parts. So as all those parts in our
aircraft bearings, these for
cables and stuff, they’re not kinda go round. They just did that. And it was very, very
lightweight, had all emotions. And I design an elevator for it,
which we never had to use
because we thought, well, we got to take it out, fix it in the
basement every night thing. Just ran everybody and a shop
bill all apart, stuck it all
together, put all the wiring and tubes and everything. We some of the skin old way out,
like around the wrist, around
the neck when a chains out once in a while and costumes and wear
little bit mechanically at gave
him very, very little trouble. And we didn’t breaking
hydraulic lines. I knew how to do it. And he said, boy, that
was a high-speed throwing
job at the last second. But again, it was
an illustration. I could have said Wall, I don’t
do people, I just said yes. And I saw it in my mind, an
airplane cuz I knew airplanes
because I’m curious, because I go at airports and I look at all
the parts, these packing, the
difficulty thinking in the voice acting with their
mouth for linking. Oh no, that’s easy to do. Layer, that’s on
other words, sinking. That’s called Show control. I do the mechanical part
before they plugged controls
and yes, I kind of stop there. I’ll give you the machine than
you guys get to programming. I get to watch the only the
only time I ever, I ever did
one where I got to drive. I did the Godzilla from
the movie 30 feet tall. It runs it with a Waldo
and to a great big machine. And they said, Bobby,
I want to drive it. We have this Waldo control. So I grabbed
the controls and I’ve got
Godzilla swing it around. The kids, kids are liquid
over the fence by the shop.>>What none.>>No word as I’m
driving when I got there. Dr. there’s only only one
time, like a most memorable
conversation with wall, all of them. The man was very direct,
really issued orders,
did a lot of asking. Important part was
that he wouldn’t launch
everything all at once. He’d walk around and talk to
payments as say we’re thinking
of doing this, thinking, I think something like that at work. Many Gore. And then I got her
started on some drawings. How you’re going to costume
work, do you think?>>Do you think I would work?>>So it was the project will
just sort of start by osmosis. And then when something
didn’t work, we burned the
money and we burned the time. That’s as bad, bad
news, especially if your
idea that bombed out. He, he always looked at
something that failed and was
just sort of back off and say, well, we sure as heck know
what’s what doesn’t work. So why don’t we get, why don’t
we get a crack and see how we
can get this thing to really work. And the first thing you do
is you bring resume breathing,
that you didn’t die right away. And you confidence is built year
after year because even your
worst idea, you’re not going to be killed for that. But hopefully you’re learning
better and better and better. Because stop and think. He’s got you there because he
values your creative mind. And he shouldn’t insult that. It’s not a Wave. Management train in companies
today never insult the people
that could help you by criticizing a yes. Things don’t always work that
you all seen the imaginary
story, it used to be dreamy stuff. Now that you’ve seen the sex
part thing that’s full of stuff
that doesn’t work, that’s very, very, very hard work. Alright. Thank you very much.

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